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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    So, right now, there are 41 pokemon in Ubers proper (less, if you don't count non-Arceus formes as distinct), and another 43 OU in OU proper. That's 84 pokemon out of 733 available in game. At the moment, I am way too lazy to calcuate how many of those are pre-evolutions, but even at a...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Isn't it obvious? No Covert Cloaks.
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    Announcement np: SV OU Suspect Process, Round 11 - We Didn't Start the Fire

    I'd been thinking about making a post about this, but this said it a lot better than I ever could have. When I see people post something like "I'm voting Do Not Ban, this was the wrong choice", it gives off this aura of superiority. It suggests that everyone else is wrong, and they're right, and...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Unfortunately, I don't think upping reqs will really move the needle, either. Spite is a fantastic motivator, and you're way less likely to stop someone motivated by it than you are to stop just about anyone else. If anything, it might accidentally make the problem worse, as people who only...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    That's exactly the point, yeah. Not only is it not much easier, debatably it's not even easier at all! Like has been mentioned both in this thread and on twitter, most good players hit reqs well before 1800. Adding the ability to grind out reqs won't meaningfully change how many people are...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    It's not that it should be made easier, it's that the current system heavily incentivizes spiking. The whole reason it's even a consideration at the moment is because a single person playing through, instead of just resetting their account, has attracted significant attention for doing it "the...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    It's not really about any specific mon, it's that the total pool of mons has grown. Each additional viable offense threat means one more thing your team has to account for, and the DLC additions lean far more offensive than the base game did. After all, this is a generation where Ting-Lu...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Everything below 1300 is a lawless wasteland, where the only "usually useless" moves are the ones found in high-rated RMT. Trying to engage the locals in a game of chicken is like trying to win a breath-holding contest against a brick wall.
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    And what's fun is that you can just as easily argue the opposite from the same starting point! You needed not only a specific clause to nerf the moves, but also multiple high tier mons that render your team immune to sleep, just for the mechanic to be balanced. Those two fought valiantly, but...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Honestly, I think the way they handled it was fantastic. The Policy Review thread was more or less a suspect test, and it allowed them to move through an issue while still taking 2 weeks to collect informed opinions.
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    I mean, you can still win on time. In fact, that's pretty much what Stall is designed to do! Whether it's a chess clock or an arbitrary timer, in the immortal words of the Magic the Gathering Comp Rules:
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    The one thing I think they could have done better was to tag this thread with [NEW VIEWS FROM THE COUNCIL] or [NEW POLICY REVIEW THREAD]. There really was a ton of discussion, and it lasted longer than a suspect test normally would.. but if you aren't clicking into the OU forum on a daily...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    That's because the best abuser was probably HypnoHex Iron Valiant, not Darkrai. While Darkrai is far more famous as a sleep user, Valiant was able to run a legitimately powerful set that Hypnosis augmented, rather than merely being used as a way to cheese free setup turns. Given the desire for...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    If it helps, think of it as the council saying that they're going to do something, and then asking players to either agree with them (high vote), or tell them not to do it (low vote). Getting a high vote meant that the voterbase was happy with what was suggested.
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Don't worry, once Gholdengo and Tera get banned you can use it for SubPunch shenanigans
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    You can't vote 0 on the survey, so the actual average is the midway point between 1 and 5 -- 3.0.
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    I could see a compromise like assigning regional forms a unique (garbage) dex number, and amending the species clause to require all pokemon to have a unique dex number, rather than a unique species. Stuff like Deoxys, Necrozma, or Furfrou would all be the same pokedex number, since they're just...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    Simple: Timburr and its evolutions are really strong. The real question is why they don't also get whirlwind. Is their power limited to merely blowing away fifty pounds of rocks and a spilled box of caltrops? e: Actually, Infernape should get defog. That thing's a certified master with the staff.
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    It's not real cooking until your flame is hot enough that it becomes a fire hazard for anyone unlucky enough to pass by! For every hundred wannabe chefs who produce something utterly inedible, you get one or two people like this guy. A culinarian with tastes so refined, so exquisite, that he is...
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    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Suspect]

    "Later" did mean after DLC2, but it always implied that the test would happen if people still thought the metagame was bad. If everyone's returning scores in the 7s and 8s for the meta at large, and there's no real indicator that there's anything especially wrong with the tier, the odds of a...
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